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Controllers => MiniLab => Topic started by: edpdx on November 08, 2013, 04:35:43 am
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Hi David,
I find it disappointing that you would not address the real issue behind jdmmade concerns and comments. Is there a reason why the issue is being skirted? There are a lot of us that are wanting for someone from Arturia to come forward and reassure us that you are working on these problems. I see that a lot a people complain a lot on this forum only to be ignored by Arturia.
I invite you to publicly respond to the real issue here and give us an honest answer.
edpdx
http://macjams.com/artist/edpdx
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Thanks for having my back bud. By the way edpdx I listened to some of your tunes and they have that awesome retro 70s/80s feel. Just great.
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I opened a ticket last night and was contacted for more information which I have sent so I cannot share the same support experience you have
I haven't owned the minilab for any amount of time so I cannot comment on much apart from first feel and that's the build quality is good for a micro and the setup was simple including the firmware update
I have experienced problems mainly non fatal crashing in Cubase where it is asking to be restarted and reopened and this is my main issue and seems to happen when auditioning presets
As for cpu usage I have had 7 single instances open on a midi file and it used 25% max so I haven't got a problem with that
It is also really loud and I need to turn the channel vol down to minus 14 when going though presets the variance between presets is difficult to deal with when auditioning
I have also had instances when the dials increase when turning anti clockwise it is strange im sure they know
Have you actually had it working because when its behaving it sounds great
I urge you to work with arturia on concentrated issues you have
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Kickwizard. No offense, but people here having been telling Arturia for months the same problems with the minilab especially in its Ableton Live performance and uncontrolability with the encoders, without any solutions.
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No offence taken to be honest im not overjoyed I asked if it actually functioned because until i dropped my latency down it didn't for me it crashed and spat and popped and clicked cpu spiked etc
I can understand the frustration about the controllers jumping and going the wrong way I had it do it in Cubase and standalone
I read the forum and posted and after reflection decided it wasnt the correct way to report an issue and deleted as I hadn't opened a ticket and reported the fault with as much info as possible
I was urging new users to do the same if they have issues I believe this is more effective way of gauging all the issues
With the encoders whatever daw if there set to absolute mode and a preset has been mapped do they still not function correctly ?
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Believe me, many tickets have been submitted and remain unresolved. My original ticket was submitted way back in July, and still unresolved, its got to the point where I will not buy Arturia products ever again, and will stick to the 'bigger' boys, as their customer service is spot on, especially Roland, whom respond within 24hours everytime, wether its tech support or just asking a question.
and the encoders problem is widespread and makes the minilab unusable in Ableton Live, and Arturia's script and latest firmware make no difference. minilab now gathering dust under my Roland Gaia..
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One of things I was trying to find out if the minilab is set up as a default controller in absolute mode if it functions with lab or other vst's (I don't know what support there is for relative mode)
Also if im not mistaken relative mode is something I have encounted with hardware like mixers for instance but never seen it intergrated with software as I have only started recently getting back into music production cant think of a synth that Ive used with velocity type controller with a software front panel
I suppose you want to use your roland and then use the minilab to control ableton or other vsts or both and having to use the roland for a controller which answers my question it doesn't work as a default controller for example using midi learn
I need to read up about midi again and will try and use it with some vsts Im not that positive about though from the posts im reading
I will be honest I was just trying to see what the situation is and anyone had anymore info
I don't disbelieve you its just I find it difficult to believe that it cant even be used as a default midi controller
I don't understand what the encoders are is it the conversion to binary like gray code ?
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Hi KickWizard,
The real issue here is Arturia's lack of involvement in the forums regarding the many ongoing issues with the keyboard. Many of us did open up tickets, but many of the problems persist. I also invite you to read many of the post and see for yourself,the ongoing problems with this product.
Would like to point out that this is a great product and there is nothing like it out there for the price, in my opinion.
Edpdx
http://macjams.com/artist/edpdx
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Fixwizard....try using the minilab in ableton and turn the knobs...you will quickly see how truly awful it is ..
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I don't disbelieve you Ill get the trial and set it up though if you think I should as i don't have it
I can assure I cant use this at the moment as it is, so all is not good i want it usable like you all do
My Komplete says its fine on its own benchtest at 44100 256 samples 2ms usb buffer 11.2 ms latency
I think they should change the min specs though not sure what multicore means surely not dual core
2gb ram must be free because W7 uses 2+ gigs before you start your daw
One core for windows one for the daw one for the AL and how about some effects i make that 4
So you must be looking at a 4+ core 6gb ram min and a decent sound module
Im not saying the problems peoples workstations but i cant see it running on dual core with 2gb ram either
The ableton scripts on the download page
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Potentially they have a great product, but its ruined by poor implementation, and extremely poor tech/customer service.
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Tried ableton 9 trial when it starts it overwrites the script to the default don't know if this is trial only or it doesn't like something within the script, plus side reading the script I learned a little more
LinearBinaryOffset = relative
Earlier I overwrote the preset 2 to absolute, problem with this I cant download the presets again so I had to reflash the firmware to get the original presets back again so you need to make sure you backup all the original presets
I going to check out the pre release MCC hopefully you can see what the preset has already and edit not just flash straight over with the template
Edit: In the current version the preset loads what preset is currently selected to select a different preset and check the values you need to exit MCC and change preset and restart MMC if that makes any sense
I going to try and setup a vst in Cubase without acceleration in absolute and see how that works out
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thing is Arturia have known about this for months the knob issues in Ableton are well documented, there is no accuracy or control with them..
They just ignore them.
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The current mmc doesn't default correctly the program sets it for absolute when it should be in relaitive they have fixed it in the pre release version for anyone who doesn't know
I have reset default 2 to factory default relative and set acceleration to med and in standalone works great so far
Flashing the firmware doesn't overwrite the presets (I did) ::)
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Hello
There are several issues here, that are all been looked by Arturia. And I 'm sorry for the trouble.
However it is a bit hard to anwer in a post talking about various issues.
For the encoder issues, a fix have been made in the firmware to solve this.
So maybe you are talking about a different problem.
Could you be precise about this problem?
Is it with analog lab, or just in general as midi controler?
Is it in relative or absolute or both modes?
what version of the firware?
Did you use the original mmc or new pre release mcc?
Maybe, if you can, you could record a midi track by turning an encoder slowly from 0 to 127 so we can see the problem more clearly.
I will pass this case to people who can check this.
(again, I insist but it is easyier to separate issues into precise topic, or sometime we thing the issue is already solved)
best
PS our offices are closed until next tuesday
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The big issue for me is with the encoders usuage within Abelton, and yes I have tried changing modes and the knobs when you turn them to change say the mixer volume levels for example, either goes from 0 to max instantly or doesnt move at all, taking several rotations before moving, way too unreliable, yes its ok in standalone mode, but awful within Ableton, when using as a general midi controller..
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Would anyone here be willing to make a youtube video to show them how bad minilab runs on the windows side and mac. Ableton 8/9 is really unstable with the Analog Lab plugin.
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Hi Adrien,
First of all, thank you for replying and taking the time to look into this matter. On the other hand, there are plenty of examples from people on this very forum explaining the many problems that many of us are experiencing, they just need to be read. But no worries! Here is a list of them:
-Firmware issue on MIDI Control Centre (READ 168 TIMES) New
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=14089.0
-TOPIC: DIFFERENT PROBLEMS (AMC, KNOBS,...) ! (READ 181 TIMES)
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=13989.0
- TOPIC: INSTABILITY OF SOFTWARE (READ 152 TIMES)
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=13770.0
-TOPIC: SYNCING ARTURIA MINILAB TO ABLETON LIVE V. 8 (READ 192 TIMES)
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=14196.0
- TOPIC: REGISTRATION ERROR MESSAGE! (READ 432 TIMES)
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=13217.0
- TOPIC: MINILAB CRASHING WHILE SAVING PRESETS! (READ 419 TIMES)
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=13316.0
- TOPIC: NOT REALLY PLUG&PLAY IS IT? MINILAB ON A BRAND NEW WINDOWS 8 LAPTOP (READ 73 TIMES)
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=14203.0
-TOPIC: MINILAB STOPPED WORKING ENTIRELY (READ 199 TIMES)
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=13690.0
These are few of the problems that users have been having. Over 1800 people have read these threads, perhaps an indication that these issues need to be addressed?
I do love this keyboard because it has great potential but it needs a lot of help from the many issues it faces.
edpdx
http://macjams.com/artist/edpdx
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I so want Arturia to fix the problems. Until they do, I wont use it, and actually embarrassed to use it, as its just so unreliable. As i said before I will steer clear of future Arturia products hardware and software. My next purchase probably Novation Basstation 2 or Ableton Push..
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To be quite honest goon I cannot use the damn thing even if I wanted to. If I trigger any of the functions in Analog lab within ableton, it's say good bye to whatever you were working on. Not to mention how unresponsive the encoders become or completely go insane (like they have a will of their own) or stop working all together. I literally have to restart the computer to get the minilab to work again. Solo and vst form. I've rarely ever had Live 8 crash until I introduced the minilab into ableton. Just pressing the keys on my minilab causes it to crash at random segments consistently, not to mention my 8-core 16GB w/ Audio interface not being able to handle the ridiculous CPU spikes. It's just something I cannot wrap my head around. I personally think that people couldn't even do demos of the unit cause of the crashing. I am guessing this is why I barely see anyone reviewing the unit on youtube.
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I dont have the crashing issue, maybe thats because I dont use it because of the encoders issue that we have. Drives me insane. No youtube demos because no-one can use the damn thing properly.....
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Forgive me kick wizard for my ignorance, Im relatively new to this script stuff, so have you replace the arturia script with your own?
how are you making saving own script.
How does it work in other Vst plugins and Ableton?
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Kickwizard thanks for the info. I would rather just have arturia fix this. I have tried something similar to this and no success period. I believe posting some minor scripting would make them think that now they have a slack time or give them the idea that they don't need to look into this anymore. I just don't want this to be the case. Arturia you have a big software/hardware problem on your hands. Please fix it. Buy some new Windows 7 32-bit/64-bit and 8 32-bit/64-bit machines to test, test, test. Buy GIGABYTE boards and ASUS boards with Intel and AMD combinations (CUSTOM PC's). In simple terms, buy some hardware that a majority of people use. Don't limit yourself to macs. I can even bet you have more macs in your facility and no more than two or three windows machines. Which are most likely identical for programming purposes.
Please submit this suggestion Adrien.
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If Kickwizard has a script or can tell me how to do it, or send me his script and lets us know how we can use it, etc I would try it...
Its quite obvious Arturia have had our money and thats all they interested in...
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A step-by-step instruction would be good kick.
1. Do this.
2. Do that.
etc.
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Would anyone here be willing to make a youtube video to show them how bad minilab runs on the windows side and mac. Ableton 8/9 is really unstable with the Analog Lab plugin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N7NyknCEpM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcYnZMhPl0E
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Would anyone here be willing to make a youtube video to show them how bad minilab runs on the windows side and mac. Ableton 8/9 is really unstable with the Analog Lab plugin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N7NyknCEpM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcYnZMhPl0E
This is exactly what everyone has been talking about the whole time. Thanks so much for posting this video sed. Arturia, please understand it's both windows and mac that suffer with this issue.
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Hi,
I bought the MiniLab yesterday, and played with it in Ableton. The current provided "UserConfiguration.txt" script doesn't work correctly in my situation, so i've edited and played with it for a while.
My solution
I've attached my "UserConfiguration.txt", maybe it will help in your situation.
Please note; Set the device on "Absolute" mode (Shift + 1) and check if your encoders are all in "Absolute" mode (with the MIDI Control Center)
Changes I did in the "UserConfiguration.txt":
EncoderMapMode, VolumeMapMode and SendsMapMode to Absolute14Bit
Set all VolumeSliders to -1
I've also uploaded it to dropbox:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1110301/UserConfiguration.txt
I'm using a Mac with Ableton Live 9.1
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anything new on this?
i like the keyboard & software, but I NEED MY KNOBS TO WORK! mapping in LPX is useless...looks like no firmware fix from arturia... if it's a hardware prob, I WANT MY MONEY BACK!
PLUS, i can't even login using my password, so i requested a new one... 4 TIMES.....no reply
anybody home, arturia?!?
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I had a major issue with one minibrute and one minilab. I gave up and bought a Novation Bass Station 2. They don't care and have given up from what it seems like. I don't think anything will be resolved mach1. The issue has existed from day one. If you can return yours man do it. I couldn't and was forced to keep it. The bass station 2 I bought is very programmable via midi. The knobs can be all programmed. It's worth it just to save up. 3 OSC I really can't complain.
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thanks jdmmade,
yeah, i gave up on the minicab....can't return it, got a novation launch key mini......WAY BETTER!
i can ACTUALLY MAP IN LPX. no more arturia for me.....next, novation impulse
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I looking at the impulse49 or the launchkey 49..... Cant decide :))