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Harware Legacy versions => Origin => General Discussion on Origin => Topic started by: Philippe on November 24, 2010, 06:29:42 pm
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Hi all,
We're entering the last phase before the release of the 1.3 Origin firmware. If you are interested in testing the last release candidate some time before the actual final version, you can download the update file here:
http://www.arturia.net/filesharing/www/?action=d&id=35099361435301004824384388224
To enable the download you have to enter the password:
unison
The downloaded archive contains a document describing the installation procedure and a quick look at the new features.
NOTES:
- Do not forget to first install the version of Origin Connection which is included in the update package
- Presets saved with the 1.3 firmware are not backward compatible with the 1.2.5 version. So should you decide to go back to 1.2.5 you would have to restore the presets as they were before the update using the backup which is automatically built on your computer during the upgrade process.
- We recommend to process the update to the 1.3 version on a machine installed with at least a 1.1.59 firmware.
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Oh and just in case.... Do a backup of your presets before starting the update :)
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WARNING:
IF YOU HAVE ALREADY DOWNLOADED THE LAST RELEASE CANDIDATE, DO NOT UPDATE YOUR MACHINE.
One beta-tester reported a problem after an update from the Beta_1.3.0 to the last version RC1_1.3.3. So we recommend to not update the firmware until we have analysed and solved the reported misbehavior.
We'll keep you informed asap.
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I've already downloaded and updated this morning! :(
2nd run now... but origin doesn't respond anymore! no chance to get a sound out of it.
one click any button - freeeeeeeeeeze :(
hmmm...
is it possible to go back to 1.25 - i hope!
ah. btw. mac os 10.6.5 (latest updates), MacPro DualQuad 3GHz, latest working origin version 1.2.5, latest origin connection installed, USB connection.
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Sorry for the trouble.
Please, could you send me the logs of the update and the backup of your presets?
The logs are located here:
PC XP:
C:\Documents and Settings\"user_name"\Application Data\Origin Connection
PC Vista:
C:\Users\"user_name"\AppData\Roaming\Origin Connection
Mac:
/Users/"user_name"/Library/Origin Connection
Make a zip of the whole folder "Origin Connection" so that we are sure to get the relevant logs.
The backup are in a folder that you can open with Origin Connection. There you should archive the backups till the date of your first attempt to update the 1.3.3.
Again sorry for the trouble.
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email sent to you with attachements and some encountered errors...
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Problems solved!!! :) Thanks to the great and very fast support of phil (arturia)...
it was a mac problem with origin connection.
The new modules are amazing... 8)
BUT i have found a "bug":
If you turn the white knobs (around the display) very fast in one direction, the values doesn't inc/dec. Sometimes if i turn a knob fast counterclockwise the values increase instead of decreasing or they jump up and down... While using origin LIVE you have to move knobs sometimes a little bit faster...
Now back to the machine and playing with the new toys. ;D
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We will soon reopen the link to the 1.3 firmware preview.
The bug was in the Mac version of Origin Connection. As far as I know, there's no problem with the Windows updater.
Mac and Windows Beta-testers who have (or tried to) install the 1.3 preview should not try to downgrade to the Beta_1.3.0 version as this will break the machine. Downgrade to 1.2.5 is OK.
In case you tried to update your Origin from a Mac just tell us. We'll provide you a "Reparation Kit" and detailed instructions to use it.
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Hello All,
The link to the sneak preview of the new Origin firmware (RC1_1.3.3) is active now.
http://www.arturia.net/filesharing/www/?action=d&id=21932379034042704727782234216
password: unison
As usual, do not forget to first install the "Origin Connection" which is included in the package. Also it's always safer to backup your presets before the update.
Occasionally, you may get alert box from "Origin Connection" telling you some cryptic message such as "there has been a problem on U2034". This is very rare and means that the Origin and "Origin Connection" are no more in sync. Then you simply need to restart the update and everything should be OK.
Have fun.
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Right now I am downgrading back to 1.2.5.... :(
Two problems came up with 1.3. :
(1) In multi mode (maybe it's also in Program mode) if I send Program Change message to Origin, it does change preset like before but Mode (mono low/mono high/poly reset ...), Polyphony etc. does not change (check "Progr page"). In other words, if original program was mono then it forces others to mono as well (if you make program change).
(2) Sometimes there're strange transpositions (in semitones) without any known midi messages. (I think there was those also in 1.2.5 but with 1.3. I had them much more often) I don't really know if those messages come from my controller or from USB (computer) or are they just coming from Origin itself. I have no such problems with other equipment which I am using with same controller.
I am using Origin in Mac OS X (10.5.8.) with Cakewalk A-500PRO controller.
Did anyone experience these problem after or before 1.3. ?
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(1) In multi mode (maybe it's also in Program mode) if I send Program Change message to Origin, it does change preset like before but Mode (mono low/mono high/poly reset ...), Polyphony etc. does not change (check "Progr page"). In other words, if original program was mono then it forces others to mono as well (if you make program change).
It was the intended behavior for a MULTI layering. It seems the current code is imposing that new behavior every time wether the MULTI is a layering or not. This is a bug. If users prefer so, we can go back to the old behavior (that is a slot always comes with its own play mode settings when it is imported in a MULTI).
(2) Sometimes there're strange transpositions (in semitones) without any known midi messages. (I think there was those also in 1.2.5 but with 1.3. I had them much more often) I don't really know if those messages come from my controller or from USB (computer) or are they just coming from Origin itself. I have no such problems with other equipment which I am using with same controller.
Never noticed that behavior before.... Could you give more details if it is possible?
Thanks
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I would very much like the "old" (1.2.5.) behavior of multis. I am used to use Program change messages to change one of the programs... It's very useful in live situations.
BTW I could not downgrade to 1.2.5. ?!?! Process crashed in 97%
???
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BTW I could not downgrade to 1.2.5. ?!?! Process crashed in 97%
Send me the logs of the update. You can find them here:
PC XP:
C:\Documents and Settings\"user_name"\Application Data\Origin Connection
PC Vista:
C:\Users\"user_name"\AppData\Roaming\Origin Connection
Mac:
/Users/"user_name"/Library/Origin Connection
Make an archive of the whole "Origin Connection" folder.
Thanks
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Downloaded the 1.3 RC release. Update went well with no issues. It successfully backed up my system and programs and restored everything just fine.
So far everything appears to be fine with the exception of the reported bug from earlier regarding the live data encoders not responding (or responding in a random sporadic manner) when you move them slightly fast.
This has been an ongoing issue from prior releases as it also effected the large data encoder knob. It appears that it no longer effects the live data encoder knob, but it is now effecting the live encoders. Please get this fixed once and for all!!. This really makes it difficult to use those encoders which are very important. Something this simple and soo important to the BASIC use of this product should not slip through your QA since it is literally the first thing you can tell after the update and doesn't require any level of expertise to detect the problem. Basic UI functionality should never have such problems. It speaks poorly about the level of your QA testing. It's like releasing a release with a volume knob that doesn't work... :-\ How hard is it to have a checklist that you check on every release that says:
*volume knob works?
*all knobs work?
*unit powers on?
cmon guys...this is basic stuff you should not be missing.
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voice detune parameter does not appear to have any effect when using the new UNISON modes.
I'll keep listing more stuff here as I come across them. Loving the new JP-8 template.
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I noticed problems adding presets too favourites. Some times appears a white screen with message about invalid .cpp file ...
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I noticed problems adding presets too favourites. Some times appears a white screen with message about invalid .cpp file ...
Can you read this message? It would be very useful for us.
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Newest problem with 1.3. :
I heard some small "crackles" with some of my presets and I think it was not there in 1.2.5.
(Do others here these for example when changing presets? I did have some of this in 1.2.5. too but I thought that it's kind of "normal behavior" which you have to accept. It's like many computer vst synths which make these "crackles" when you suddenly change preset etc.)
Anyway my lead was having them more and all the time when I played it (in 1.3.). This is not acceptable...
Then I tried to check again how it is in 1.2.5. but same thing happened again: I cannot downgrade it. The whole process stops at 97% and Origin Connection crashes in my Mac. Should I try to use older Origin Connection app. Does it help or what should I do?
???
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I heard some small "crackles" with some of my presets and I think it was not there in 1.2.5. (Do others here these for example when changing presets? I did have some of this in 1.2.5. too but I thought that it's kind of "normal behavior" which you have to accept. It's like many computer vst synths which make these "crackles" when you suddenly change preset etc.)
Could you make an audio record of these crackles and send it to the support? I need also to know the presets involved.
Then I tried to check again how it is in 1.2.5. but same thing happened again: I cannot downgrade it. The whole process stops at 97% and Origin Connection crashes in my Mac.
There is apparently a bug in Origin Connection with the released version. I have not been able yet to reproduce this bug on my dev machines. Still working on that.
Should I try to use older Origin Connection app. Does it help or what should I do?
Re-upgrade to RC1_1.3.3 using the newest Origin Connection app.
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I think now what's causing these crackles: It's TAE.
Somehow I just heard them more in 1.3. with my one own mono-Mg-lead preset, I don't know why.
Should it be this way: Increasing TAE will increase these small "crackles" which you hear especially when you play fast repetitions (one key down, other repeats)? Is this normal behavior?
I know I'm new with Origin, just learning some basics...
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... More tests:
I'm quite sure that this crackle-increase in 1.3. is real: I have to decrease TAE in some of my earlier presets.
P.S. Do you still want me to make some audio examples?
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If you can isolate a preset where these crackles are strong it would be nice. If you have the problem with one of your own preset, please make a bank with it (using Origin Connection) and send it to me. That will be a good starting point.
Thanks
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jackson, i experienced some crackles in earlier OS, but not in 1.3.3. I heard those crackles when the delay effects went on, just the first feedback, after it was ok. Do you use your origin as master or slave (midi clock)?
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A fixed version of Origin Connection can be downloaded here :
Description: Origin Connection V-RC1_1.3.3
To download the file open the following link in a browser
http://www.arturia.net/filesharing/www/?action=d&id=48060605127555608376771033366
No password needed.
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JacksonP:
(2) Sometimes there're strange transpositions (in semitones) without any known midi messages. (I think there was those also in 1.2.5 but with 1.3. I had them much more often) I don't really know if those messages come from my controller or from USB (computer) or are they just coming from Origin itself. I have no such problems with other equipment which I am using with same controller.
Have a look at the bottom of the Origin screen. Check if you can see occasional messages such as "OSCx - coarse tune 1 semit".
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here is everything fine!! :)
tested TAE, delay, fast note switches, but no crackles at all! favourites are running here too, saving presets is working...
no new errors, bugs over here, except the annoying knob bug, while turning fast with the white knobs and the big knob.
ah... and while in filter mode of the presets (search mode, filtering for example a type: piano) and turning the big knob, it's working as expected and you can move from one preset to the next one, BUT pressing +/- buttons on the "numbers field", the filter will be resetted and you are stepping through ALL presets again and not through the filtered presets...
i don't know if it is as you wanted it, but i expected the same behaviour than turning the big knob.
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JacksonP:
(2) Sometimes there're strange transpositions (in semitones) without any known midi messages. (I think there was those also in 1.2.5 but with 1.3. I had them much more often) I don't really know if those messages come from my controller or from USB (computer) or are they just coming from Origin itself. I have no such problems with other equipment which I am using with same controller.
Have a look at the bottom of the Origin screen. Check if you can see occasional messages such as "OSCx - coarse tune 1 semit".
I think that's the case exactly. I'm 97% sure that there's a message of "OSC 1 coarse tune ...". BTW I haven't found any MIDI CC which is controlling this feature.
(Although if I wait for it, nothing happens you know... ;) )
About those crackles: I do not hear them (that much) in poly presets or in some other mono leads.
But you can test this: choose MiniMg template and make single 1 osc saw lead with clear sound. And then play kind of fast repetition (one key down, repeat the other). Increase TAE from 0 to maximum... Do you hear it? I don't need much TAE to start to hear it...
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here is everything fine!! :)
tested TAE, delay, fast note switches, but no crackles at all! favourites are running here too, saving presets is working...
no new errors, bugs over here, except the annoying knob bug, while turning fast with the white knobs and the big knob.
ah... and while in filter mode of the presets (search mode, filtering for example a type: piano) and turning the big knob, it's working as expected and you can move from one preset to the next one, BUT pressing +/- buttons on the "numbers field", the filter will be resetted and you are stepping through ALL presets again and not through the filtered presets...
i don't know if it is as you wanted it, but i expected the same behaviour than turning the big knob.
pretty much the same results for me, everything appears to be working great with the exception of the "knob bug" and I can reproduce the filter behaviour as well.
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Hello All,
A new Origin firmware version (RC1_1.3.6) is available for download here:
http://www.arturia.net/filesharing/www/?action=d&id=39124133931444844917467886024
no password needed
As usual, do not forget to first install the "Origin Connection" which is included in the package. Also it's always safer to backup your presets before the update.
Occasionally, you may get alert box from "Origin Connection" telling you some cryptic message such as "there has been a problem on U2034". This is very rare and means that the Origin and "Origin Connection" are no more in sync. Then you simply need to restart the update and everything should be OK.
This version fixes bugs - among others - that affected the stability of the machine. There is one known regression in this version which concerns the Duophonic aftertouch. This feature is now available for desktop and keyboard versions as well. It is also now a parameter saved in a Program preset and not a general setting as earlier. Unfortunately we found a regression bug which may in some situation gives the impression that the duophonic aftertouch works like the standard channel aftertouch. It was too late to fix it for this release. You'll have to wait for the next one, sorry.
We would appreciate if you can test the robustness of this version in the following areas:
- adding/removing modules and connections while playing and/or while Origin is receiving MIDI
- automation of parameters, connection attributes, sequencer pattern changes (using the 16 seq switches while in pattern mode)
- loading presets (SINGLE and MULTI), and loading a preset on a slot of a MULTI while Origin is receiving MIDI
- the J8 template
- MULTIs with several template instances in the slots
- and everything else :)
Have fun.
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Earlier in this thread, I identified three problems with my Origin and 1.3:
(1) "strange transposition problem"
Now I know what's causing it: osc freq knob is simply broken. It sends messages without touching it... (also it does not give 24 semitones as highest value). So forget that one
(2) "Program change problem" (did not change Mode for example)
Now it seems to work perfect in 1.3.6!! :)
(3) "crackles problem" with mono mini Mg lead which is mostly TAE related:
still hearing crackles if I put TAE value 0,2 or more...
Anyway is 1.3 getting better (allthough I have problems with my unit)...!
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updated to v1.3.6.
SUCCESSES:
* update completed successfully
* presets restored
* no "crackle" issues with TAE (tested at full values on various user presets). I do notice that TAE at full values causes overall gain increase on a program causing it to clip badly, thus some users may just be reporting "clipping". I usually have to reduce the volume output level of a program/layer to adjust for TAE at high values.
ISSUES:
* Voice Detune in Unison mode still has no audible effect on detuning of the stacked voices being triggered. At least it's certainly no where near what true Roland Unison Detune sound likes at low or high values. My comparisons are with a Jupiter-6. I'm assuming that Voice Detune should become the equivalent of Unison Detune when you place a program in Unison mode. I guess this is not the case?
*"live knob" bug still exists. are you guys even planning on fixing this at all? >:( ??? >:( ??? >:(
Will try to test some of other features requested tomorrow.
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hmmmm
just tweaked the preset 'In the Mg' and when changing the aftertouch destination in the modulation matrix to VCF cut off the audio output went silent. (after effecting aftertouch on keyboard for a few secs)
When moving to another preset silence continued and then screen froze requiring reboot.
This was repeatable
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just tweaked the preset 'In the Mg' and when changing the aftertouch destination in the modulation matrix to VCF cut off the audio output went silent. (after effecting aftertouch on keyboard for a few secs)
When moving to another preset silence continued and then screen froze requiring reboot.
Thanks for your report.
Could you elaborate on how you reproduce this crash? You're talking of the "Modulation Matrix" so I assume you were editing one of the miniMg preset loaded in slots 1, 2, and 3. Could you precise which one?
Could you give some more precisions, such as what were the connections you had made or suppressed before via the matrix. Did you do some modifications to the other slots when the crash happened?
The ideal would be to find a simple and repeatable scenario that leads tro this crash.
Thanks
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Hi
Basically brought up 'in the Mg' preset.
Clicked on modulation matrix bar top left (no module selected in miniMg gui)
this bought up modulation v destination window with amount knob in middle
I originally changed the aftertouch destination but other changes make the origin crash)
if not repeatable your end it must be specific to my set up but the preset has not been altered before changing the mod matrix leading to the silent audio and then the crash
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When setting up a new preset using the jupiter template my system plays the audio but freezes the gui
Haven't checked to see if this has already been posted but though it worth mentioning
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Mgy blues, I'm able to reproduce the "In the Mg"crash on my dev machine. I'll fix this asap.
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* no "crackle" issues with TAE (tested at full values on various user presets). I do notice that TAE at full values causes overall gain increase on a program causing it to clip badly, thus some users may just be reporting "clipping". I usually have to reduce the volume output level of a program/layer to adjust for TAE at high values.
Hi Holografique and others:
I'm littlebit puzzled about this "crackle" issue.
Could you try this:
Take (miniMg) program 0146 "Reso Whistle". Increase TAE to maximum. Then play fast repetition (other key down, other repeating) from quite low register. Use headphones and listen if you hear those small crackles. They are not very loud but at least in my system you can hear them. What is strange is that not all programs make these and some (one simple lead made by myself for example) make them with quite low TAE value.
Also I'd like to hear from Arturia team about it: Did you hear them with my preset or not? Are they acceptable or something which is clearly bug or what? I can of course decrease TAE but is it the only solution? Or is there something with my Origin unit?
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Hi JacksonP!
Could you post a sound example of what you're hearing? I tried Reso Whistle but no crackle here.
To Arturia:
Thank you for your work on the Origin! The interface really gets better. Could you just make an Eminent or Solina module like you made a tonewheel one?
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JacksonP
Also I'd like to hear from Arturia team about it: Did you hear them with my preset or not? Are they acceptable or something which is clearly bug or what? I can of course decrease TAE but is it the only solution? Or is there something with my Origin unit?
I listen to your preset and yes, I can hear small clicks from time to time when the note is attacked. Our priority for the moment is to fix the bugs that crash the machine, we'll have a look at this click problem asap.
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* no "crackle" issues with TAE (tested at full values on various user presets). I do notice that TAE at full values causes overall gain increase on a program causing it to clip badly, thus some users may just be reporting "clipping". I usually have to reduce the volume output level of a program/layer to adjust for TAE at high values.
Hi Holografique and others:
I'm littlebit puzzled about this "crackle" issue.
Could you try this:
Take (miniMg) program 0146 "Reso Whistle". Increase TAE to maximum. Then play fast repetition (other key down, other repeating) from quite low register. Use headphones and listen if you hear those small crackles. They are not very loud but at least in my system you can hear them. What is strange is that not all programs make these and some (one simple lead made by myself for example) make them with quite low TAE value.
Also I'd like to hear from Arturia team about it: Did you hear them with my preset or not? Are they acceptable or something which is clearly bug or what? I can of course decrease TAE but is it the only solution? Or is there something with my Origin unit?
I can reproduce exactly the same bug in many programs, Jupiter template too...
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If you're all talking about the clicks we can hear when a new note is played with TAE on and legato on, I hear them even with TAE really low actually.
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Hi Fafababa and Jeruro,
Now I think we all know the crackles or clicks I've been talking about. They are not loud but I think they should not be there....
Let's see if Arturia team can find a way to fix that too....
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If you're all talking about the clicks we can hear when a new note is played with TAE on and legato on, I hear them even with TAE really low actually.
I just tested and I can hear them now too. I tested as well building a basic patch with the Origin oscillator module and a sine wave. In mono mode (mono high), with a bit of portamento and TAE at high levels, you can hear it. But in this case you really have to be triggering in a very fast manner (almost simulating a rapid morse code) in order for it to really occur. Not only that, but it becomes even less audible when your patch starts getting more complex. The funny thing is that even some of the old analog synths had these "quirks". The original Jupiter-6 VCA envelope section was well known for sometimes having an unwanted "click" at the attack of a note trigger when playing sounds that had no mid to high freq content. It's common knowledge for Jupiter-6 users, and I know because my Jupiter-6 does it all the time. I don't believe this was a known "quirk" with the Jupiter-8, as my understanding is it did not use the same chips for it's VCA section.
So, are we really seeing a bug? or just TAE doing it's job properly ;)
In seriousness, I think it's a good idea to remove it if possible, as many of the older modulars and the MiniMg did not have this "quirk". So in order to remain thruthful to the product marketing having some of the best emulations available, it makes sense to resolve it (or make it an option!). but for me personally it's not a big deal. I rarely use the Origin for very basic sine wave type tones. Their plugs (as well as others) do a great job for that sort of stuff.
-omar
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Hello All,
A new Origin firmware version RC1_1.3.11 is available for download here:
http://www.arturia.net/filesharing/www/?action=d&id=27769056491249464747058479959
no password needed
The "Origin Connection" which is included in the package has not changed since the RC1_1.3.6. But if you're not sure of which Origin Connection version is installed just re-iinstall it using the installer provided with the RC1_1.3.11 package. It's very fast and doesn't hurt.
Occasionally, you may get alert box from "Origin Connection" telling you some cryptic message such as "there has been a problem on U2034". This is very rare and means that the Origin and "Origin Connection" are no more in sync. Then you simply need to restart the update and everything should be OK.
We've made important fixes that should avoid the crashes reported by some of you when using the preset 1085. Of course the bug was easy to reproduce using this preset but the crash could have occurred with any other preset. Also the duophonic mode is now working again and available on desktop Origin and keyboard as well.
Have fun.
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Uploaded new version last night.
After the main 45 min update I rebooted for the finalisation process
following this a message came up saying the the installation had failed
to update properly and to restart the origin and check status.
Initially i had a dark grey screen (which was troubling) and
had to reboot the origin three times before the normal display
came back. When checking the system details the upto date version
was installed and the system functioned ok and did not crash (yet!)
I did fall asleep following the main 45min upload and the message
saying to reboot the origin had been displayed for several hours before
I rebooted for the finalisation process. Not sure if this was the problem
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I did fall asleep following the main 45min upload and the message
saying to reboot the origin had been displayed for several hours before
I rebooted for the finalisation process. Not sure if this was the problem
likely not.
Anyway could you please attach to your reply the logs of the update?
The logs are located at:
PC XP:
C:\Documents and Settings\"user_name"\Application Data\Origin Connection
PC Vista:
C:\Users\"user_name"\AppData\Roaming\Origin Connection
Mac:
/Users/"user_name"/Library/Origin Connection
Make a zip of the whole folder "Origin Connection" so that we are sure to get the relevant logs.
Thanks
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Sorry, did try but unable to locate the above files in my disorganised system
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updating origin worked great for me!
BUT the "white knob/big knob turning" bug still exists!!! :(
now i have to test the rest...
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updated to v1.3.11
* were any changes or modifications made to the JP-8 oscillator modules? all of my templates that use the JP-8 oscillators (my own custom JP-8 and JP-6 templates) sound distinctly different. I'm hearing what sounds like some major changes to the PWM phase of the square waveforms. I have a few patches where it's very obvious that something changed from the last version. I had a patch that I mimiced off my real JP-6 and it was spot on. It now sounds very different on the Origin when compared back to the same patch on the real JP-6. Even a few programs I made using the new Arturia JP-8 template sound different from 1.3.3/1.3.6
* I'm also finding that some module patching has changed in my custom JP-8/JP-6 programs. There is LFO modulation on pitch that was not present in the same programs when running 1.3.3 or 1.3.6.
* sounds like maybe some adjustments were made to the unison detune, it sounds much better now at high levels. still not as detuned as what I hear on my real JP-6 in unison mode, but I can't say for certain how detuned a real JP-8 was.
* cross-mod between JP-8 modules sounds suprisingly more realistic. I thought it sounded good before, but now, shit, it almost sounds like a System-100!
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*another crash. was just trying to build a program from scratch to see if I could pinpoint what in the JP-8 oscillators changed and the system has become unresponsive with no sound and no response.
I will try to pinpoint the exact process to recreate.
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*another crash. was just trying to build a program from scratch to see if I could pinpoint what in the JP-8 oscillators changed and the system has become unresponsive with no sound and no response.
I will try to pinpoint the exact process to recreate.
can't seem to the exact steps. it's definitely something to do with removing connections from an oscillator to the output and/or mixer modules.
i'll try again tomorrow.
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updated to v1.3.11
* were any changes or modifications made to the JP-8 oscillator modules? all of my templates that use the JP-8 oscillators (my own custom JP-8 and JP-6 templates) sound distinctly different. I'm hearing what sounds like some major changes to the PWM phase of the square waveforms. I have a few patches where it's very obvious that something changed from the last version. I had a patch that I mimiced off my real JP-6 and it was spot on. It now sounds very different on the Origin when compared back to the same patch on the real JP-6. Even a few programs I made using the new Arturia JP-8 template sound different from 1.3.3/1.3.6
* I'm also finding that some module patching has changed in my custom JP-8/JP-6 programs. There is LFO modulation on pitch that was not present in the same programs when running 1.3.3 or 1.3.6.
* sounds like maybe some adjustments were made to the unison detune, it sounds much better now at high levels. still not as detuned as what I hear on my real JP-6 in unison mode, but I can't say for certain how detuned a real JP-8 was.
* cross-mod between JP-8 modules sounds surprisingly more realistic. I thought it sounded good before, but now, shit, it almost sounds like a System-100!
I'm finding that most of this appears to be attributed to a change in TAE. Either the values are wrong from what I had them in my programs in 1.3.3/1.3.6 or TAE has been changed to be more prominent. I believe it's bad program values being interpreted. All of my JP-8/JP-6 templates and programs are showing TAE at 100%, and I NEVER use TAE at 100%. Usually anywhere between 15%-20%, at most 50%, but NEVER 100%, as things start to sound a little too out of control.
Is it ok to revert back to v1.3.6? If so, I will do this to verify that indeed TAE values in programs are not being interpreted properly from prior OS versions.
cheers, omar
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holografique,
Could you make a bank with some of your presets and send it to us so that we can check what have changed?
Thanks
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By the way, it should not be a problem to downgrade to the RC1_1.3.6, so if you want to try, it's possible. But never downgrade to versions beginning with "Beta_"... !
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holografique,
Could you make a bank with some of your presets and send it to us so that we can check what have changed?
Thanks
sure thing, will do when I return to the studio tonite.
-omar
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By the way, it should not be a problem to downgrade to the RC1_1.3.6, so if you want to try, it's possible. But never downgrade to versions beginning with "Beta_"... !
perfect. i'll do that first before sending the presets for you guys to check.
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Hello All,
A new Origin firmware version (RC1_1.3.15) is available for download here:
http://www.arturia.net/filesharing/www/?action=d&id=05700259996331843871191828401
no password needed
As usual, do not forget to first install the "Origin Connection" which is included in the package.
Occasionally, you may get alert box from "Origin Connection" telling you some cryptic message such as "there has been a problem on U2034". This is very rare and means that the Origin and "Origin Connection" are no more in sync. Then you simply need to restart the update and everything should be OK.
This version fixes :
- the erratic encoders behavior : we may still have to tweak the acceleration which is applied when the encoder is rotated quickly. Anyway, the encoders won't and cannot behave correctly if you turn them very quickly.
- DSP crashes when adding or removing connections and/or modules
- the clicks that could be heard on some presets
- the crash that occured from time to time when "newing" a JP8 template.
Some users have reported unexpected sound changes on some presets. We're still investigating this.
Have fun.
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Congratulations Origin Team.
My Origin is working perfect now with beta 1.3.15
Finally encoders working really well now and no more sound clicks!!
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In the other hand, i'm doing a comparison of Jupiter 8 template with the real Jupiter 8. I'm trying to recreate the factory presets of the real unit and i can say that some presets sounds close to real one but i cant get success results with others. You can see this with the preset "38 - Synth Brass".
I know it's impossible to improve this kind of things now but i encourage Origin Team to enhance it in future firmware releases.
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- the erratic encoders behavior : we may still have to tweak the acceleration which is applied when the encoder is rotated quickly. Anyway, the encoders won't and cannot behave correctly if you turn them very quickly.
interesting, why not just allow the option in system settings to enable / disable encoder acceleration? personally I don't want acceleration. I'm fine with a static speed value and if I have to turn the knob a few times to get from one end of the range to another, no problem. It certainly beats the risk of the knob not performing properly 100% of the time.
I'll see how well it behaves with this new update. Very encouraging especially after seeing one good report so far.
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holografique,
Could you make a bank with some of your presets and send it to us so that we can check what have changed?
Thanks
just sent you a PM with the info and the presets.
thanks guys!
-omar
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Hi everybody,
Updated to RC1_1.3.15
After short test period this is what came up:
Clicks are mostly gone!! I took my one of those problematic mono leads and raised TAE to max and I cannot hear them anymore. :) (Changing presets can still cause some clicking...)
BUT: In saving multis there's some strange thing happening. If I save for example my own multi preset 1107 when I press "save" it says that I'm saving 1100 (ShiftingDrone/Origin 1.1). Still I can see "Multi 1107:" text at highest line. Very confusing. Anyway this saves the correct one to correct place.
If I make it "save as" same problematic is there.
Anyone else having this?
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That's a known issue. Should be fixed with the next release.
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Not sure if this is an old or new issue as I only got my Origin this week, but have just updated and when I'm saving patches it won't let me use the Jog wheel to select letters/symbols, only the arrow keys (which is tedious).
Similarly, but worse, when I try and create a new project to save a preset in, it doesn't let me edit the name whatsoever. Neither the arrows or jog wheel change it from a "?".
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Actually, letters (for Program names, Project Names, ...) are entered using the SOUND SELECT Keypad like a phone (as marked 2= ABC, 3 = DEF, etc...)
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With firmware version 1.3.15 on program # 0028, and others using the Jupiter 8 template, the screen goes blank when I move the osc freq knob. I have to reload the program to get the screen back.
Gary
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I think i found a Bug:
Playing some notes from my keyb. when i'm in preset view suddently the red led goes to Seq. button, but the display still display preset view.
It happened more than one time but i cant reproduce it always, seems a random bug.
Attached you can find a photo to verify it.
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1268/lafotoqh.jpg)