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Title: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on June 20, 2011, 11:04:08 pm
Hey everybody!

Just got Spark and I already need some help from you, guys. I read the manual, but it didn't help me. I installed it etc. with the VST plugin and started Cubase. I chose Spark as the VST instrument and it appeared.

Before I composed a melody and recorded it in Audacity. Now I want to add some drums from Spark, but Cubase doesn't record anything, when I start my created pattern by pressing the play button in Spark. The red circle with the black dot in Cubase is activated (for recording), but nothing gets recorded, the bar on the right of the track which normally should be filled with some sound, is all the way empty while recording. Is there a special way to record the drums from Spark or is there any other intelligent possibility to add drums to my melody? Because I want to add some fill-ins while the melody plays etc.

Thanks in advance. :)

P.S.: Screenshot for better understanding:

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/Matvey_2008/spark.jpg)
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: guardner on June 21, 2011, 11:14:49 am
You have to add Spark as a midi controller to cubase and activate it!!
but uncheck the "Spark Private" midi connections!!
connect only the "Spark Public" ones (as stated in the manual!).

then u should be able to record drums...

My way (i think the better way) is to record patterns into Spark and then drag n drop Audio/Midi to Cubase arrange window.
I think/feel that the Spark sequencer is MUCH MORE groovy and drum like, and everything sounds much tighter and REAL, than working in a "normal" sequencer.

i hope that helped... ;)
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on June 21, 2011, 05:21:43 pm
Thanks for the reply.

So I can only record drums when using the MIDI controller? Wouldn't I be able to do that without the controller? I'm just curious. ;)

Can you maybe give some short instruction(s) on how to activate it in Cubase? Because I wasn't able to do that myself. I always got the message when starting up Spark "deactivate Spark Private In and Out etc. in the MIDI settings", but never found these settings where I could do that. The manual didn't help me either...
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: Kevin on June 23, 2011, 08:46:44 am
Hi Matt,
As Marcus said.
I recommend you to record your patterns inside Spark sequencer then export them via drag'n'drop as explained here (http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=4747.msg15471#msg15471).

Hope this helps.

Best
Kevin
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on June 23, 2011, 04:38:02 pm
Okay, thank you. But I need to know how to record the drums in the Spark sequencer. That's exactly what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on June 29, 2011, 03:25:48 pm
Still nobody to help me on how to record the drums of Spark inside its own sequencer? The only thing I found out is that if I go to the library and then to "Edit", I have a button "Export" which exports only the beat I created between steps 1-16 (I didn't use the other steps), but I want to record a drum loop as long as I want and not only that short sequence which I'll have to import to Cubase and then copy it all the time to have a drum loop for my needed length. The thing is that I also want to add some fill-ins I created to the main drum loop and the crashes I added at the end of the fill-ins mustn't be cut off, but should fade out as normal when I play the drum loop and add a fill-in by clicking another button, where I that fill-in is in (like Pattern 1 on the pattern circle of Spark is the main loop and Pattern 2 is the fill-in etc. and I switch between them when I want to add a fill-in and then go back to the main loop).
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on July 20, 2011, 02:57:35 pm
Anybody to help me please? I'm still stuck... :-\
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: Kevin on July 20, 2011, 03:11:03 pm
Hi Matt,
sorry for not answering before.
If I understand well, you want to be able to record in realtime what Spark is playing.
You can only do it in audio, it is not possible in MIDI.

Tell me if it answer to your question or if I totally misunderstood you.
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on July 21, 2011, 10:35:47 am
Yes, that's actually what I want to do. Like all other VSTs I use, so I can press the record button and it'll record what I played on it. And I want that the drum pattern is continuously recorded until I stop the recording. So what does it mean it's not possible in MIDI, but in audio? What do I need to do for that?
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: Terrym on July 21, 2011, 05:42:17 pm
Hi matt one way you can record audio of spark to audio mix down in cubase. set the locaters to how long you want to record spark go to export audio mix down select spark channels set export audio to pool and track and off you go.
hope this helps.
ps if not try sending audio out to a new audio in and hit record.but export audio is how i do it.
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on July 22, 2011, 12:33:57 pm
Okay, I'll try, but the thing is that I'll have the pattern exported only and if I want to record and add a fill-in for example, I wouldn't be able to alter the pattern in real time. That's so complicated, why just don't make Spark to be able to record the whole pattern in Cubase or any other DAW in real time without having to export and import something...
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: Terrym on July 22, 2011, 01:03:30 pm
ok right there's one more way you can record live in cubase i use, and that is to add a group track and a audio track route spark to the group channel  then on the input of the audio channel set input to group and then you can record live from spark.if you dont know who to do this i may make you a youtube video ok ,if i get time.
regards
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on July 22, 2011, 04:18:59 pm
I could try that if you described it a bit more detailed. I added a group track, an audio track and the instrument track with Spark (see screenshot). Now what shall I do? How do I do that routing with that audio input channel etc.?

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/Matvey_2008/sparkcubase.jpg)
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: Terrym on July 22, 2011, 04:40:04 pm
look at my mixers routing and make sure you have the audio channel armed or in record mode(http://CM Capture 2.png)
please log in to the forum to see the pics?
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on July 22, 2011, 06:30:40 pm
No 1. on the picture:

For Audio 02 I can't select Group 1, but I have Stereo Out selected. Also, I don't have any Stereo In channel as you do.

No. 2 on the picture:

That's my mixer. I selected the options as you did for Spark 01 (Group 1) and Group 1 (No Bus), but as I said I can't select Group 1 for Audio 02. Also, how come you have that "side kick" as Stereo In?
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: Terrym on July 22, 2011, 06:44:14 pm
what version of cubase  are you using? as im on v6.02.
can you open up the mixer to view inserts and mixer routing.

sorry just seen your using AI .you cannot do this in your version.
looks like you will have to bounce or wirer your output to your input and record live like that.
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on July 22, 2011, 07:37:55 pm
Yep, I'm using AI 5. So that's not possible? :'( So what do you mean? Wire output to input? How is that possible?
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: Terrym on July 22, 2011, 08:56:00 pm
if you use a sound card with more than 1 stereo in an out you could route an out of the sound card to come back in on the input of the sound card.
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on July 22, 2011, 09:22:33 pm
I only have 1x in, 1x out, 1x mic, 1x c/sub, 1x rear and 1x side.
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on July 24, 2011, 11:54:35 am
So no other possible solution? How do you guys use Spark then? It's useless until you can record something with it. What's its usage if you can't really do compositions with it?
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: Kevin on July 25, 2011, 09:41:39 am
Hi Matt, it is possible to do that by creating a new bus and an audio track.
route Spark out and the audio track input to the created bus (Strereo Out 2 by default).
Then you will be able to record audio from Spark on the audio track.

Hope this helps

Best
Kevin
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on July 25, 2011, 02:57:58 pm
And how do I create a new bus in Cubase AI 5? I simply have no idea, could you maybe tell me exactly what to do? I created a new audio track and how do I create the bus?
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: Kevin on July 25, 2011, 03:25:41 pm
I quickly made a screencast to show how to do that.
You can dl it here (http://dl.free.fr/ny3SH0LAc).
I don't know if it is possible in Cubase AI but I think it is.
Tell me if it works.
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: matt1314 on July 25, 2011, 11:59:45 pm
I followed your tutorial but at the point where you select "Stereo Output 2" below "Stereo Out", I can't select it, I only have "Stereo In 1", "Mono In 1" and "Mono In 2" to select. In your VST connections, what inputs do you have there?
Title: Re: Cubase and Spark
Post by: Ozric on August 29, 2011, 10:03:31 pm
Hi Matt, it is possible to do that by creating a new bus and an audio track.
route Spark out and the audio track input to the created bus (Strereo Out 2 by default).
Then you will be able to record audio from Spark on the audio track.

Hope this helps



It did worked for me, I love to have more tools to work around this and midi sequencing would be nice, hopefully in the future.

Matt, you should try this Cubase option, I am using 5 as well and it did worked.
Route Spark to Stereo out 2, and on a new stereo audio track use Stereo out 2(spark) as your input.

Good luck