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Title: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: Philippe on November 07, 2011, 10:00:30 am
Dear Origin users,


We understand your frustration and your hope to see more coming on Origin.

The truth is that for economical reasons, Arturia has had to reallocate a part of the Origin engineering team to other projects. This is a temporary switch and Origin remains a central project within the company. Still, we must acknowledge that this team reduction has had an effect on the planning.

This being said we are also facing challenging technical issues and this is the second reason for the delay. Origin is a very complex product and each time we undertake the work for a new important update we may have to consider in-depth re-writing of some parts in the firmware. This was the case for this update. Some parts in this work have been rewritten already and this is taking much time as you can imagine.

We hope you can understand the situation and will bear with us.


yours faithfully,

Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: JacksonP on November 07, 2011, 12:47:58 pm
Hello everybody,

When I saw this Philippe's post title, I thought that finaly we got something. But unfortunately this was not the case...

I must say that I appreciate his trying to give us some light to this situation, (to some point) I understand their reasons, but of course I don't like it. Most of us have paid over a 2000 euros for a product with promises and time-line to improve it. It's quite a lot more than those softwares with or without those controllers.

We waited till "end of October" and now we are back in zero again. Can you give us at least some idea, when 1.4 (or full 1.5) might be available? People get angry when promises won't hold but they get also angry when they can't get any real information. If you say it takes 6 months or years, then I can move my interest in somewhere else than checking this forum with a hope for an update.

There's something wrong with Arturia's "business model" cause their products are great but there so much frustration out there. In Origin's case I think we know what it is: they sold it to us with these ideas which was not there yet and with promises to get them soon. I think we really like our Origin but this makes us very unhappy...
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: rcmusic on November 07, 2011, 04:13:14 pm
thanx Phil for the updated information.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: Superwaldi on November 07, 2011, 08:09:28 pm
Unbelievable  >:(
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: An.unna.kid on November 09, 2011, 10:55:37 am
Thank you Phillipe,
So not this year right?
Just let us know that it wont come out this year or if it will!?


Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: u.n.i.t.e.d on November 09, 2011, 01:09:54 pm
shure,this is bad but think about. the spectralis from radical technoligies ,the update situation is much worst then here.  i waited years for an update!!!
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: Philippe on November 09, 2011, 01:38:27 pm
Thank you Phillipe,
So not this year right?
Just let us know that it wont come out this year or if it will!?



Not this year for sure.

To give an idea I've been myself re-assigned to an other project since the beginning of october for a period which is - today - estimated to 3 months. Knowing that we'll need 2 more months to restart the pending work on Origin, do the debug and run all tests that give you a possible release date at the beginning of march. Knowing what we know today there's a very small probability for this time to be shorter.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: TheMoonP on November 09, 2011, 02:45:56 pm
Dear people at Arturia,
 
Let me introduce myself a little: I'm 53 y.o. and I've been playing synthesizers for over 30 years. In all those years I've had over 50 different synths spread over a long period. They were from different brands, analog to digital, ARP to several Waldorfs and Korgs etc... So I was very pleased when Arturia brought out the Origin and started to almost daily check the forum. I'm not a poster on the forum, cause of the language barrier, reading it is not a problem though.
 
But with what I know now, I would have never EVER bouth the Origin for the 2500 euros that I paid for it! It probably wasn't that good of an idea to make a hardware synth, especially when you can't make it into a full product. Or do I have to say 'WANT TO'? Now there's writings about how you're going to make another product... Wouldn't it be a better idea towards your customers who paid so much to finish your first product before starting a new one???
I've never encountered something like this in my history of synths!! And you all find this so obvious?? You have made so many promises toward the buyers, but tricked us all! You made up a beautiful story, but it turned into a nightmare!
The economical reason that Philippe told is really weak! We've invested into Arturia, right? If you would have told the real vision of Arturia from the start, more people would have bought it. But I'm sure that potential customers changed their minds when they read on the forum (I wish I had)! That's normal, right? Who gives 2500 euro for something that's unfinished and  that will be this way for a loooooooong time!
 
So, people of Arturia, please be clear about it and please tell us when the Arturia will be a complete product, as you all promised. Be true to us, also on the forum and try to help out the costumors with the technical questions too (this does not have to be on daily base, but really, weeks before an answer?? come on). And don't hand out false promises, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!
 
That I'm not pleased by all this, you may have noticed by now, cause really, I'm fed up with this b*******t, and I know I'm not the only one! I'm sure you're losing potential costumers as we speak... read about it on the forum... if you have the time (sarcasm).
 
sincerely,
 
marcE
 
ps: I'm sure you're good in your software, but maybe you should find someone who can link the software and the hardware. I know that it's not that great of an idea economicaly speaking... so just keep us waiting a while longer.
 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: synth103 on November 09, 2011, 07:11:52 pm
I'm with on this MoonP

I think most people who bought these Origins have truely been "HOODWINKED"

"CLASS ACTION" ?

HaHaHa ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

synth103
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: JacksonP on November 09, 2011, 07:20:05 pm
What I am worried perhaps most, is that Arturia's chosen "business model" is finaly jeopardizing the whole thing.They should know that nowadays customers aren't that stupid; they check forums and read reviews about the products they are thinking. And if a potential customer is thinking over 2000 euros product for sure he will do his checking. And as we very well know, this forum does not give just a nice picture of their flagship product.

Somebody might say that this not just Arturia's, other companies are same. To this I'd say few things:
First, companies like Roland are obviously busy to develop new things. For example, they did their flagship product V-piano which practically hasn't developed since its birth. (Fortunately I did not buy it!) But this is different to Arturia's flagship (our O). V-piano is completed product and they did NOT sell it with any promises.

Second, there are completely different companies with different business plan. I have no complaints for swedish keyboard maker Clavia (Nord), which is also quite small company like Arturia. I have two of their keyboards (one is around 2000e and other around 3000e, just to compare to O). This company is listening to its customers wishes (I have personally mailed with their product manager), giving updates very often, developing free sample libraries; (BTW they just released a new Oberheim sample set). With Clavia you have completely positive brand. If you wanna compare the feeling of discussion just check unofficial Nord user forum; it's hard to find any complaints about Clavia.

With Arturia I try to keep the faith but like others here, it's becoming harder and harder.


Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: kidharpoon on November 10, 2011, 10:20:12 am
Totally immoral, and one of the reasons I won't ever buy another Arturia product.

So bad.

And this "economical" excuse is pathetic. Basically they care more about making profit than the products and their customers. Exactly why they'll never be a market leader.

I hope the people high up at Arturia read these msgs and feel the anger towards them. Its a shame that the staff like Phillipe have to take all the heat. Its cowardly from the top and I'm surprised he's not more angry about it.
 
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: dijidave on November 10, 2011, 11:50:33 am
Mmmmmmm,
             well, you may not be surprised to find out that Spark also seems to have been born prematurely, though I must say I'm glad I bought it first rather than the Origin which I probably will never get now. It does seem strange that a company can sell products that aren't really finished which are endorsed by big name artists & producers & get away with it.
         Good luck all,........including all you @ Arturia,
                                                                 Dave
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: vaikl on November 10, 2011, 06:02:27 pm
Two days ago I've got mail from Arturia, wanting me to buy their V-Collection with a limited offer.

No thanks, Arturia. Do your homework first (at least there are enough bugs in the Laboratory software, too) and then you'll get candy.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: _dg on November 10, 2011, 07:50:05 pm
I own the Origin since about 2 years now and i'am happy with the current firmware, really strange...I might be the only one here  8)
I had the virus ti and guess what? it took about 2 years untill the ti integration was working flawlessly...I sold it because it's not the sound I was looking for.
I don't think that we ever will see a working vst integration here to be honest, but hey this synth sounds fantastic!
If you want to look at the screen while making music, buy some plugins.
And if you want more templates, I think a modular synth is not the one for you.
I played with most of the va synths currently available but the origin is exactly what I really like.
It just sounds sooo goood for a va synth and I don't have any technical problems with it, at least with the current firmware..

(I'am not working for arturia, I'am just a fan of the sound quality and features this synth has already, till now!)

So make music and don't wait for the next update...

Regards
_dg
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: eckart on November 10, 2011, 08:45:53 pm
Hi,

i will get my origin tomorrow or on Saturday and realy looking foward to it.:)

Why is this update so important? Sorry, i don`t know.
Got this maschine still got bugs that causes crashes or is it all about new filters and a new pc editor?

Anyway, maybe Arturia should release a beta update only for a good feeling on the costumers side this year. And than the main update next year.

Greets from germany
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: DrJustice on November 10, 2011, 09:14:47 pm
I own the Origin since about 2 years now and i'am happy with the current firmware, really strange...I might be the only one here  8)

No, you're not...   8)

...Why is this update so important? Sorry, i don`t know.

There are some features that were planned from the beginning that are still outstanding, namely ARP-2600 and CS-80 templates and VST support.  

Quote
Got this maschine still got bugs that causes crashes or is it all asome potential features that I do bout new filters and a new pc editor?

It's quite stable by now (I have zero problems). The outcry is because of those outstanding features mentioned above. BTW, we have gotten several new features and modules that was NOT planned from the start

Personally I'm not desperate. It's a very cool and usable synth as it is. It would indeed be nice if they had loads of people working round the clock on Origin developments, but this is in reality a boutique synth project, and as such it hasn't fared half bad - and it ain't dead yet; the developers are still talking to us. I'd rather want Arturia to work on some other products and survive to give us delayed updates than seeing them disappear.

Call me a gullible sucker - rather that than busting an artery over some potential features that I do just fine without  ;D

All that being said: Get on with it Arturia :P

DJ
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Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: vaikl on November 11, 2011, 12:39:36 am
If the type of customer, that Arturia wants to make business with, is a classical user, who don't like or uses VST plugs on a comp to simplify his workflow, then Arturia has made a big mistake to insert plugin support into their products and assigning stuff members to this development project. They'll loose money for nothing.

I don't believe that Arturia is thinking this way. But for impressing new customers they had to serve something that is at minimum in a release candidate state. It's sadly true that many other companies are still determined since the late eighties to let their customers do the beta testings with sold products but times are changing, folks....
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: Cord on November 11, 2011, 01:51:07 am
I am actually happy that somebody transformed Wolgang Palms idea of a Realizer into a product. Actually, Arturia has taken the concept further and is offering us one of the most flexible synthesizer in a box. I am thinking more in the line of modern modular instead of a template driven synth.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: vaikl on November 11, 2011, 03:53:47 am
I am actually happy that somebody transformed Wolgang Palms idea of a Realizer into a product. Actually, Arturia has taken the concept further and is offering us one of the most flexible synthesizer in a box. I am thinking more in the line of modern modular instead of a template driven synth.

That's right, but Wolfgang was also far ahead of time with his vision of integration of synth and computer. Arturia should not leave this vision untouched by rolling back into the pre-computer era because they can't produce a simple, robust and working interface.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: guardner on November 11, 2011, 02:18:26 pm
I own the Origin since about 2 years now and i'am happy with the current firmware, really strange...I might be the only one here  8)
I had the virus ti and guess what? it took about 2 years untill the ti integration was working flawlessly...I sold it because it's not the sound I was looking for.
I don't think that we ever will see a working vst integration here to be honest, but hey this synth sounds fantastic!
If you want to look at the screen while making music, buy some plugins.
And if you want more templates, I think a modular synth is not the one for you.
I played with most of the va synths currently available but the origin is exactly what I really like.
It just sounds sooo goood for a va synth and I don't have any technical problems with it, at least with the current firmware..

(I'am not working for arturia, I'am just a fan of the sound quality and features this synth has already, till now!)

So make music and don't wait for the next update...

Regards
_dg


+1

same for me! working like a charm! and i really love the sound and i'm routing everything through analog outboard, so no need for vst integration! with my VirusTi it never worked...
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: synthguy99 on November 11, 2011, 06:03:33 pm
I own the Origin since about 2 years now and i'am happy with the current firmware, really strange...I might be the only one here  8)

I feel the same way.  Templates are a nice shortcut, but you can make your own without much trouble.  Heck, I have some pre-made "templates" mimicking more than a dozen vintage synths in the download section, and with more than a hundred patches included.  No screen graphics obviously, but a bunch of hard wired set-ups which sound pretty darn close to the originals.  Along with that, a bunch of notes on how they're set up, as well as some programming tips.

I do want the CS-80 template because making one from scratch is more than a bit tedious, and it's only 6 or 7 note poly because of all the CPU needed.  I want the Prophet and Oberheim OSCs and filters, and it would be nice to have templates for them too - at proper volume, thank you.  You guys at Arturia really need to fix the volume of that MiniMg template you made, much too quiet.

But even then, this is a dream instrument just with what we have now.  The filters, the most crucial part of a synth in defining its sound, are fantastic.  If I didn't have the Origin, I'd have to build a music PC and get the Vintage Collection.  Which is definitely a thought...

But even then, I couldn't make something resembling an ARP 2500 - the ancient modular monster, not the 2600 we all know.  Or a Roland System 700 Modular.  Or any of the synths in my download, other than the CS-80.  And I couldn't run a Mg oscillator into a Roland filter to see what came of it.  You guys are so spoiled, and don't realize it.

As for me, I have a long vacation coming up, and the Origin is going to be a big part of my musical endeavors, even without the templates, or filters from Prophets and Oberheims.  What I have now is more than a dream instrument, so to heck with you mopey guys not using yours.   ;)
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: JacksonP on November 11, 2011, 08:48:44 pm
well, I can confirm that Origin is very stable now. There are some minor things in multi mode that can make it suddenly silent, but I can tolerate this kind of a bug.

For sure IT IS a great piece of work just the way it is now. But question remains: is it worth its price? For over 2000 euros product you can expect certain qualities. I'd say that with quite small improvements it would be much more interesting product. In other thread I've been giving high priority to better computer integration: Origin has USB and it can be controlled by MIDI. IMO it cannot be that difficult to make editor/librarian software. To those who neglect this idea, I say that in my home studio I have 22 inch screen in front of me and track pad (mouse). It would be just great to make sounds via my computer setup and then save them to computer and/or to Origin. And then on stage I have all those knobs to tweak them Live. With better computer integration nothing needed to update inside origin, right?

This been said, of course I would love to see more modules (especially modern things like supersaw osc), more templates and evolving product in general. IMO there's so much potentiality in this great thing still waiting to be realized. I have some Arturia soft synths and Spark too. I'd really like to see the day, when they make them work nicely together. What I fear most is that Arturia ceases to develop Origin and we'll hear that they won't manufacture it anymore. Hopefully this isn't beginning of the end...

Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: eckart on November 11, 2011, 09:23:05 pm

If this is so, this is nothing to look after for, imo.

Thanks Dj. Justice for the info.

- Long live the origin!

Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: doktorfuture on November 11, 2011, 10:11:58 pm
I just purchased an Origin the other week from Sweetwater. I really like the synth and have encountered no real problems. The main knob is a bit jittery but that's about it.

The sound is excellent. I can wait for other updates, but I agree that it is bad to announce an update and then miss the date. I do think it is fair that this small company shares its priorities as it can --- it is a small company (I think under 20 people) and as such needs to keep the revenues coming in -- especially in this economic climate.

I also bought a Spark. It's pretty cool and seems to work well. Never really liked Arturia before the Origin and Spark much as I felt the 'emulations' were not very authentic sounding. They sounded good, just not like what they were trying to emulate. So I had (and suppose I still have) a problem with Arturia for that.

But I did a hands-on with an Origin about 6 weeks ago and really liked the sound and feel of the machine.

It is worth the money for me.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: bereckis on November 13, 2011, 11:11:32 am
Hello,

I find the Origin already completely and miss no special features. Your announcements that were certainly honest, but now apparently so are not tenable, I also know of other companies.

Perhaps you have simply sold too few Origin? I think your marketing too awkward, because it extols the Origin as a copier of really good old synths. No copy is better than the original. This is essentially independent of the Origin and individual than many other modern synths.

I had bought the Origin without major future expectations.

What I do not understand that their minor quirks as part of any hotfix solves the short term:

1st The audio outputs are too quiet. This rightly criticized many users.

2nd When the Origin is almost booted, once he picks terrible.

There are certainly other minor quirks that I have not yet noticed.

I hope that the Origin survive economically with you.

I would not mind pay updates, as in the music software industry has long been customary.

greeting
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: An.unna.kid on November 14, 2011, 03:30:48 am
Thanks Phillipe,
Now I at least know you wont make an update this year. fair. Time to make some music!

I have to add that I am extremely satisfied with my Origin and would take it with me to the end of the world. I just think that the patches for Cs80 should be added as soon as possible. Surely this cant be that hard...

Anyway, I have not explored more than 10% of it's sounds and force yet but in a year or so I HOPE that the promised Cs80 with be available for download.


Cheers folks!
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: An.unna.kid on November 14, 2011, 03:42:54 am
Yes I too would pay for awesome updates.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: MindPoP_ on November 14, 2011, 05:53:56 pm
I really love my origin. I had two brokens first. Bad screen. And at first it wasnt even fully midi capeable.But it has grown on me. But. My 2 newest synths realy kick a. My tempest and my venom. Both so cool and now in my studio the Origin and the venom and the tempest hold one table and work so well together ive been neglecting all my other synths. So problems or lag besides. Origin has earned its place in my studio not by updates but by my familiarity with its presentation and flow. Ps the tempest realy kicks a. And belive it or not venom is maybe better than the origin in many ways and cost me used 279 from guitar center at a tenth the price too.But I believe the update sitch on the venom makes arturia look like champs. Arturia Why not release your code make it open source and be done with it let others more intrested experiment and make alternate operateing systems athat can be loaded on the fly. Maybe the origin can becomethe first everything synth out there . You can either use your software or hot swap to other systems.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: JacksonP on November 14, 2011, 08:44:33 pm
Why does Origin need update(s) and development in general? Reason is related to comments like MindPop's last one. Venom - and many other VAs which are much much cheaper than O - are good in many ways and even better than Origin. To stay in the game, Origin must be more than those. In fact there's one major thing compared to most of them: Origin is 4-part multitimbral. But finaly: you can even have four (Venoms or different synths) with Origin's price.

Let's face it: with templates (like CS80) Origin can remain interesting thing. More or less close replicant to real thing, this is what fascinates people. I could pay for well done templates (maybe not for CS80 cause it was promised...). And speaking about products like Venom, IMO Origin should develop also to more modern direction. And come on, those lower price range products like Roland GAIA, Korg R3, Venom etc. all have their editor softwares. I know I repeat myself, but why it's so difficult to make one for Origin...?


Title: !
Post by: eckart on November 17, 2011, 10:17:35 pm

Had this synthi a week now and realy love it.:)
Guess i print out the mauel to learn everything...

Thinks to + are imo:
If i press demo during my session, all my sets are lost? This should be blocked by yes or no.
On the pluginscreen, i think you should  highlight the plugin you are on a bit more.
Maybe a light bright green light. Imo, or a inverted mask.

But, my gratulations to this fine instrument to Arturia.
So much things are well and done!

A great fun. :)

Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: IAA on December 08, 2011, 10:21:24 pm
Just wondered, in terms of development, would anyone support costed upgrades (obviously not huge) for significant additions above and beyond that which was initially slated for delivery? I'm thinking of say the new oberheim modules?

Surely porting it to origin is not a big deal, but it's more than the initial spec for origin, so would we upgrade our OS optionally for a reasonable amount, comparable with other costed software upgrades?

Keeps origin on the upgrade path, let's users choose whether they want new features at reduced price of buying native app?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: Superwaldi on December 09, 2011, 08:08:42 am
Before conserdering costly updates, Arturia shoudl deliver waht was promised from the beginning.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: JacksonP on December 09, 2011, 04:47:05 pm
Developers have said that new firmwares need lot of programming and rewriting. If that is so maybe they should think about giving us better computer integration.

I've been asking for better editor and librarian software with graphical templates for MM and JP8 (they allready have GUIs for those V-series synths so at least they would not have to start from zero!)

Maybe I'm the only one here (hopefully not!) who would like to too see things with 22 inch screen and edit them with mouse (or in my case mac trackpad). One thing is that Origin is not very erconomically placed in my studio, but other thing is that O's screen is small and things aren't that fast with those buttons and knobs. This doesn't mean that I don't like its GUI and knobs on stage! But just think about drag-and-drop approach with combining those modules...

Also, there's quite a lot to improve things with librarian features. IMO Origin connection isn't  very practical for managing all your presets. You should be able to make (edit) your presets with editor and then save them to your own library folders (with categories) and/or to Origin itself.

If I sound demanding, let me remind you that many (or most) lower price range VAs have much better computer integration.

Then, if could choose new features INSIDE Origin, I might want to have more modern sound. Supersaw/Hypersaw oscillator would be a great start....
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: IAA on December 09, 2011, 11:40:09 pm
Supetwaldi

Agree, but what I'm saying is why not have a development path that's like UAD's? You buy for the platform what you want above and beyond that which was promised?
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: holografique on December 19, 2011, 06:14:48 am
yes, the UAD model is one that works, and works very well. They have continued to be very successful with that product. You buy the card, you pay for additional plugins as they develop. And they price the plugins to be very reasonable in price.

Arturia already sells their VST instruments for PC/Mac platform, the Origin is really just another platform dedicated for those same instruments. It should have followed the same model, just lower in price per instrument since you've already invested in the hardware platform.

The problem is Arturia already shot themselves in the foot early on by promising and advertising many features and templates to be included in the product, when the reality was that the product didn't include them, and it's been a couple years now with some of those having yet to be released. For them to come out now and ask for payment on those missing advertised features would only enrage customers even more.

After some initial issues and dissatisfaction with the product, I love my Origin now and it's very stable. However, I don't agree with their overall business practices and the way this whole Origin thing has been handled. To me it just smells of a start-up company that still has a lot to learn in terms of running a business. I wholeheartedly agree that Spark was a slap in the face to many Origin users, especially when the product has pulled away resources. The worst thing you can ever do in a business is penalize your customers for bad business decisions. You never EVER do this, rule #1. period. There are plenty of companies out there that came and went that should be clear examples of why you simply don't do this.

I hope it all gets straightened out and they can can gain some momentum again. The new Oberheim V looks/sounds amazing, and I would love to see my Origin continue to develop into more.

Let's hope for the best.

Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: silicium_Ne.3s2.3p2 on December 22, 2011, 02:46:46 pm
Since the origin of Origin, I've been checking every 6 months if an update with CS-80 template is available. I want that CS sound and like hardware and low-level software development. If Arturia needs some help to develop it, I can join for a few months and work for free (provided they offer housing, food... and an Origin at the end of the job).
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: An.unna.kid on December 27, 2011, 12:07:01 am
I have been using it for a new album witch is very modern and the old school sounds really work out here.
I bought it used for 500 euros and I must say that even if Arturia does not come up with V. 1.4 I am very satisfied with what the synth did for me and by now it bought it self actually!

Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: holografique on December 29, 2011, 05:11:02 pm
well duh, of course used for 500 euro is an amazing price for that synth. clearly not the same as the 1500-!600 euro most of us have paid for new units. of course at that price I wouldn't care either!

Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: synthguy99 on February 08, 2012, 04:26:19 am
I'm still very happy with my Origin, even with a few very good VA synths on hand.  This thing is simply monstrous in its soundmaking power.  I would love to own a CS-80, a Jupiter-8, an Oberheim Matrix-12, an ARP 2600, Chroma or the dreaded 2500 modular, a Roland System 700 or a Mg Modular.  Well, with the Origin, I can have all these insanely expensive synthesizers - and with midi controlled presets!  I do intend to one day have a "Mgish" modular for real, but I need around $15,000 for that!  :o

I want the templates too, as well as the Prophet and Oberheim filters and oscillators, but I can get close with what I have.  And template aren't all that important to me.  They're just pictures.  I can make a patch of the synth I want, and this becomes my template.  Every time you patch together modules with this thing, you've created a template of your own.  In fact, I use my own MiniMg templates instead of the real Mini teplate because Arturia's template is too low in volume.  And I use a Jupiter I patched up because the pedal works right with it.

If you need templates in your Origin, you aren't really using it as anything more than a preset machine, and its real potential is being ignored.

Since the origin of Origin, I've been checking every 6 months if an update with CS-80 template is available. I want that CS sound and like hardware and low-level software development.

I've created a bunch of patches based on a dozen or so vintage synthesizers, including the CS-80, and it's available in the Origin Presets and Templates Zone (http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=4524.0) - just click that link to get there.  Each "template" has a few patches for it to get you started making music.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: holografique on February 08, 2012, 04:38:12 am
LOL, I love your enthusiasm synthguy99, but let's keep our feet in the ground and out of the clouds. Half the synths you mention you CANNOT emulate with the Origin today. Matrix-12, System-700, or good lord an Arp 2500, none of these models exist in the platform. These synths have very characteristic VCO and VCF responses that while you may be able to create a "patch" that emulates the routing to some degree, it certainly doesn't emulate the characteristic "sound" of these classic synths. Especially the Matrix-12 since there are no Oberheim models available for Origin, especially the Matrix/Xpander multi-mode VCF section.

that being said, the synths it does emulate today are superb and despite the slow development, it is hands down the BEST sounding VA yet to be created in my opinion. Owning a Mg Voyager and a Jupiter-6 it's uncanny how close the Origin sounds to the real thing.

I'm excited to see what's in store in v1.4 and beyond...


Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: synthguy99 on February 08, 2012, 08:08:50 pm
Half the synths you mention you CANNOT emulate with the Origin today. Matrix-12, System-700, or good lord an Arp 2500, none of these models exist in the platform. These synths have very characteristic VCO and VCF responses that while you may be able to create a "patch" that emulates the routing to some degree, it certainly doesn't emulate the characteristic "sound" of these classic synths. Especially the Matrix-12 since there are no Oberheim models available for Origin, especially the Matrix/Xpander multi-mode VCF section.

Well, that is true in a sense, as I was coming down with something last night I should have said "something like these synths."  You can't emulate the poor shielding of the ARP 2500 matrix system, allowing control voltages and audio to bleed all over the place.  However, the 2600 has a definite ARP character handed down from its massive father, and the Origin allows you to make a very authentic ARP modular in the sense of the 2500, which the 2600 could only hope to achieve with three or four of them wired together.

But as for the Matrix-12, I'm more sure of.  The use of the Curtis family of audio ICs coming into widespread use at the time are quite similar to the sound of the Origin modules, and I've been able to get some very similar sounds to the Prophet 5 and OB-8.  I haven't tried to get an actual Mx-12 patch yet, since that monster is very complex, but someday I'm going to put my mind to it, especially if Arturia blesses us with Oberheim modules.  While it won't sound exactly the same, it's going to be close enough, until I can finally grab one of my own.

On that note, being something of an analog purist, I will say that if you have a real Mg, ARP or dare I say it, CS-80 around, the Origin and Arturia's softsynths come very close, but still lack a little something the originals deliver, as holografique says.  But seeing as I can't afford the originals, and the quality of the Arturia modeling is very high, I don't quibble over small issues and happily program and play away.  Besides, a real Mg Modular III in good shape can cost as much as a house!
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: lornasawin on February 09, 2012, 09:30:10 am
We waited till "end of October" and now we are back in zero again. Can you give us at least some idea, when 1.4 (or full 1.5) might be available? People get angry when promises won't hold but they get also angry when they can't get any real information.
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Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: JacksonP on February 09, 2012, 10:24:52 am
Well, in my opinion we are not "back in Zero", cause Philippe just gave us information about what's gonna happen next. Ok, we're don't know when it's gonna happen, when we'll have beta 1.4 available. But after a long period of silence let's be happy that something is really happening.

BTW if they develop SEM modules for Origin, should they think about making SEM template perhaps instead of CS-80 template (as a next step)? If I am right (promised) CS-80 is much more complex and probably also difficult to handle in Origins small screen and knobs. So perhaps SEM would be more useful template. IMO MiniMg is great template because it's simple enough: you can see it in screen quite well and command it with Origin's knobs. Creatures like Mg Modular or CS-80 are of course great synths but you cannot easily use them with synth like Origin... But of course I will welcome any template: IMO they are the second half of Origin (another half is this modular structure). Both are necessary to make Origin what it is: a great(est) VA out there. And as I've said before, IMO those templates are the "thing" to make it very attractive to new users. Who would not like to have all these great vintage synths in one package with all the extras (polyphony, multitimbrality, effects, modules etc.)?
 

Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: Philippe on February 09, 2012, 10:40:28 am
We waited till "end of October" and now we are back in zero again. Can you give us at least some idea, when 1.4 (or full 1.5) might be available? People get angry when promises won't hold but they get also angry when they can't get any real information.
 :) :) :)

Maybe you didn't notice the thread (http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=5761.0).
  
It looks to me like a "real information", doesn't it?

Concerning the release date of this 1.4 I won't communicate now. Of course we have a target date, but I prefer to wait until internal tests and external beta-tests are completed so that I can give a reliable information.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: synthguy99 on February 09, 2012, 12:38:41 pm
BTW if they develop SEM modules for Origin, should they think about making SEM template perhaps instead of CS-80 template (as a next step)? If I am right (promised) CS-80 is much more complex and probably also difficult to handle in Origins small screen and knobs. So perhaps SEM would be more useful template.

I don't think the CS-80 is any more cluttered than the Jupiter-8, and I think the CS-80 is much more desirable as a template.  And while having an SEM/OB-X template would be fantastic, I still think the CS-80 should come next.  Building a proper one with modules requires quite a bit of CPU, and mine can only produce 7 notes or so, which in compositions should be fine.  But I'd hope the template would be optimized so that it has more polyphony.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: bigbrass on February 09, 2012, 02:14:40 pm

While the SEM modules are very important and welcome addition to origin, let's not forget about its CS-80 capability that for many was the critical selling point. Good or bad, there are many va's with Mg/SEM emulations out there, but none with the CS-80. It is unique to arturia and should be maintained an improved upon.
Throwing a SEM into the update was a quick and logical step for arturia to appease the "crowd" after an update drought. I kind of expected that. Given the fact that their resources were put elsewhere and Philippe hasn't had much time to code a major update, it is a winner for now. Meanwhile, I'm still yearning for more CS-80 stuff and a fixed filter bank or string/formant filter of some sort.

leo
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: synthguy99 on February 10, 2012, 03:02:19 am
I just wanted to reiterate what bigbrass said.

I love Roland, Oberheim, ARP, Mg, Sequential Circuits/Dave Smith and... well, just about everything synthesizerie.  But bb is right, these instruments are modeled all over the place.  What is sorely missing is the venerable, ubiquitous and very hard to duplicate Yamaha CS-80.  In hardware, I'm aware that the very expensive Studio Electronics CODE synth has CS-80 filter options - in the vicinity of $2400 just for a two voice module.  The Synthesis Technology MOTM modular synth has a CS-80 filter module - heck, it even has a GX-1 filter!  But making a four voice polysynth out of one of their modulars would cost far more than the CODE 8 voice.  And those are all I'm aware of as far as harware options, and you still don't get an authentic CS-80 oscillator unless you buy the real deal, and good luck finding one in good shape you can afford.

I know that Arturia offers the CS-80V, and I'm sure it's superb at delivering that sound, and the modules exist in the Origin.  But not everyone has a good DAW to run the CS-80V, and as I mentioned, making a complete CS-80 on the Origin taxes the system to the point that you can't play a full eight notes.

The CS-80 is in such demand that the hardware synth itself can sell for way more than the $8000 it originally retailed for.  And for those who come across the Origin like Keith Emerson and Eddie Jobson, it has been a boon for them in giving them that CS flavor that has become a chore to obtain live, as the original synths have become quite cranky with age and don't travel well.  Even in the studio, they need periodic maintenance.

If it wasn't for the fact that the CS-80 modules chew up so much DSP, I wouldn't mind, but it would be more convenient to have the thing already there, complete with the Ring Modulator unit on the panel ready to have knobs assigned to it.  And I'd hope that they could optimize it so that it provided more than 10 voices of polyphony.  Hopefully Arturia is making enough income from Spark and the pretty darn cool MiniBrute synth to hire a few more software engineers who are skilled at clean DSP coding.

How cool... 80th post!  ;D
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: smoo on February 10, 2012, 01:03:25 pm
One of the biggest Problems of the origin could be solved with an update: No Pots for modulation amounts on the surface (except the 8 soft-pots, but this is not enough). Please give us the possibility to use the sequencer-knobs as pots for modulation-amounts. this would make a HUGE diffrence and we would finally hear very good presets.

One other thing: It would be great if we could set or better: spread the voices in the panning field. THAT would it make the best synth for pads. Now its just a very very good one.
Title: Re: * Update 1.4 *
Post by: Philippe on February 10, 2012, 01:49:42 pm
One of the biggest Problems of the origin could be solved with an update: No Pots for modulation amounts on the surface (except the 8 soft-pots, but this is not enough). Please give us the possibility to use the sequencer-knobs as pots for modulation-amounts. this would make a HUGE diffrence and we would finally hear very good presets.

I'd personally appreciate this feature. It has already been proposed inside Arturia but people in charge of the product definition rejected this idea because it introduces dual-function knobs (which is considered to be bad ergonomics).

One other thing: It would be great if we could set or better: spread the voices in the panning field. THAT would it make the best synth for pads. Now its just a very very good one.

Well, you can do this kind of thing today if you connect the Keyboard KF1 output to the PAN modulation of the VCA (have a look at the preset P0004, it does this using the KF2 output). When the 1.4 is available you could use the VoiceProcessor to define 8 pan values that would be applied one after the other for each new note.

Maybe we could add a TRIG input to the Sample & Hold module and sample eg the MONO LFO1 output (or the Env2D, or the Galaxy...). The output of the S&H could be connected to the VCA PAN (or any other modulation input).