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Author Topic: Arpeggiator selection of internal clock or MIDI clock  (Read 1304 times)

fanwander

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Arpeggiator selection of internal clock or MIDI clock
« on: December 07, 2012, 03:41:52 pm »
This is a suggestion for a future software update.

Until now the arpeggiator switches the tempo control automatically to the external (MIDI-)clock as soon as it receives the MIDI-clock. And also it immediately changes back to internal clock as soon as the clock "vanishes" at the MIDI In.
 
Both behaviours can be annoying: I do not want necessarily the arpeggiator beeing clocked by MIDI - even if there is MIDI-Clock at the input.
Also the other way around: many drum machines or synch-boxes stop sending MIDI-Clock after pressing stop. Then it is very annoying, if the arpeggiator continues playing and - even worse - continues in a completely different tempo (this happened to me playing a live gig with 500 people dancing in front of me ... not a cool feeling  :-\).

So my suggestion is: MIDI-clock should be enabled or disabled by pressing the "Tap"-button for more than two seconds.
If MIDI-clock is selected, the Tap-LED should be lit continously.

Another possibility would be: make the Tap button become a "function"- or "shift"-button. Then the keys of keyboard yould be used to select various functions. The transpose Up/Down buttons would be used to select the values for the function, pressing "Tap" again leaves the function mode.

Example:
Tap 2 seconds -> Lowest C => enables function "clock select", Tap LED is constantly lit.
Now:
select with Up/Down
LED 0=internal clock
LED -1=MIDI clock
LED -2=Gate In is used as Clock in
Tap 2 Seconds => stores the setting and returns to normal mode

This could be used for the global settings too.



What do you think about?
« Last Edit: April 07, 2013, 10:27:13 pm by fanwander »

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Re: Arpeggiator selection of internal clock or MIDI clock
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2012, 04:55:28 pm »
It would be nice to see the tempo follow the last known source, instead of reverting back to the MB internal clock.

Bruno@arturia

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Re: Arpeggiator selection of internal clock or MIDI clock
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 11:47:36 am »
Indeed having the clock switched back to internal is annoying.
I think Worlock approach is smart.
Let say: as soon as midi clock has been received, do not switch back to the internal clock until the tempo knob has been moved.
What do you think?
Bruno
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Re: Arpeggiator selection of internal clock or MIDI clock
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2012, 09:26:54 am »
That seems right.

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Re: Arpeggiator selection of internal clock or MIDI clock
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2013, 12:01:20 am »
I think it needs to be a bit more "fail-safe". how about it doesn't switch back until the the tap button is held-down AND moving the tempo knob at the same time?

this would make it a more "deliberate" action, versus the possibility of accidentally touching the tempo knob.

-omar

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Re: Arpeggiator selection of internal clock or MIDI clock
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2013, 02:38:36 pm »
hum... I was wrong, it will not work, even with the Tap held.
Why? Does that mean you didn't noticed this two features? ;)
1/when a Midi clock is received, if you turn Tempo knob on Min or Max position, it will double or divide tempo by 2.
2/If you hold down Tap, and turn tempo knob, it will speed up or slow down tempo. And set if back to Midi clk when released.
You should try it they are both useful.
So I guess we will need to find another way to switch Clock.
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Re: Arpeggiator selection of internal clock or MIDI clock
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 04:23:50 pm »
So I guess we will need to find another way to switch Clock.
Sorry, that I did not com back on your replies.

What about my second suggestion? Looks basically like this:
  • Hold TAP for two seconds: sets the Minibrute in a function mode
  • Select the function by corresponding keys (example Arp-Clock = C1)
  • Select the desired value using the transpose up/down buttons (some restricted display is possible with the transpose LEDs)
  • Hold TAP for two seconds again: sets the Minibrute back to normal mode

« Last Edit: January 17, 2013, 02:04:11 pm by fanwander »

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Re: Arpeggiator selection of internal clock or MIDI clock
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2013, 08:57:54 am »
I agree, this is quite annoying. If you can make something in the next firmware update, please do it. For instance, it┤s actually impossible to end a song stopping the drum machine to let the Minibrute sequencer alone ending the song. (It┤s possible using some blank pattern on the drum machine, by the way...but sometimes in live condition a bit tricky)  :-[
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Re: Arpeggiator selection of internal clock or MIDI clock
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2013, 05:21:20 am »
Definitely a feature I'd like to see.

The tap-tempo hold idea sounds good.  There's no other reason you'd need to hold the tap tempo button, right?
Hold it, and maybe the octave lights flash, signaling it's in function mode.
Then, the octave buttons or keys could be used to change parameters.
Another press of tap tempo returns it to normal operation.

This would be similar in operation to, for example, the alesis q25 controller, where you can set the midi channel, slider CC mapping, transposition, etc, from the keyboard, using a function button.


With a shift-function system like that, it could allow for editing any of the internal parameters that now are only editable via USB.  That would be amazing..

 

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