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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2005, 08:52:14 pm »
Hi Z

The sounds are really Guitar 1 + Bass! BUt , as you said, there's something more: the sound is added with some little more resonance ( on the original you COULDN'T modify the presets with the synth controls, you only could act through the performance controls ) so try to add a little more resonance with the overall Res lever.Also it's much about HOW you play these sounds: you will notice that there's a slow pitch mod made by the sub-osc which is underlined with aftertouch action and the brilliance is controlled by velocity....think also that Vangelis is a very skilled performer so he knew how to give feeling to each played note; with the help of his reverbs and delays of course :wink:
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2005, 09:02:26 pm »
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Hi Z

The sounds are really Guitar 1 + Bass! BUt , as you said, there's something more: the sound is added with some little more resonance ( on the original you COULDN'T modify the presets with the synth controls, you only could act through the performance controls ) so try to add a little more resonance with the overall Res lever.Also it's much about HOW you play these sounds: you will notice that there's a slow pitch mod made by the sub-osc which is underlined with aftertouch action and the brilliance is controlled by velocity....think also that Vangelis is a very skilled performer so he knew how to give feeling to each played note; with the help of his reverbs and delays of course :wink:


of course Vangelis is a champion, and a CS80 specialist,
by the way I don't know why Arturia didn't ask some sounds
from him, imagine, a Vangelis bank on CS80V, I would stay at home
even if weather is sunny.   :D
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2005, 10:14:19 pm »
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of course Vangelis is a champion, and a CS80 specialist,
by the way I don't know why Arturia didn't ask some sounds
from him, imagine, a Vangelis bank on CS80V, I would stay at home
even if weather is sunny



Well again, it's not a matter of "sounds" :  Vangelis didn't ever had a large sound palette with his CS-80s(nine) , he made very few "recognizable" sounds and the main fact within this is they were presets quite often ! But what make the Vangelis sounds shine is how they were used, and there the man was a real champion beacuse he knew exactly how to manage each single expressive nuance on the performance capabilities and stunning user interface of the real instrument...if you want to do that you may wish to have a control surface with a set of  24  sliders and switches just for each of the synthesis lines plus additional 24 controls for the Performance without a single notice of digital steping ( you would probably use these the most ), a polyaftertouch keyboard, two pedals ( for Vangelis these were absoultely needed ) and a ribbon controller , do  lots of practice and lastly have a good technique and a BIG, BIG memory :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
The  original CS-80 wasn't the greatest synthesizer in the world about making different sounds ( I think that CS-80V has much more balls about it ), its greatness was about the expressive capabilities and the ability to change drastically the properties of a sound with very few passages , and with a great ease! Unfortunately a virtual is a virtual and if you need to control you have to physically put your hands on something!
After all and IMO I will put myself in creating my sounds , getting as much confident with them as I can to get the best from them![/b]
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2005, 03:05:20 am »
About hardware, the most difficult challenge seems to find
a poly aftertouch keyboard, I'm dreaming a prophet T8 but
need to find one..., then needs to pay...
I don't know if the new polyevolver from Dave smith
includes polyaftertouch....
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2005, 03:37:43 am »
Yeah, what is that polyaftertouch keyboard??? I have never heard of such thing. Is this the same as regular key sensitive keyboard with the aftertouch capacity? Does "polyaftertouch" means that you can have the aftertouch assigned to each key?   :?

I usually use my Alesis QS8 as a main MIDI controller. It has 88 regular piano keys with aftertouch. This thing feels like a regular keyboard of a grand piano. That's why I have bought it.

So, if there is a special "polyaftertouch" keyboard please let me know.  I might be interested to get one (if someone still makes it).   :wink:

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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2005, 07:17:46 am »
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Yeah, what is that polyaftertouch keyboard??? I have never heard of such thing. Is this the same as regular key sensitive keyboard with the aftertouch capacity? Does "polyaftertouch" means that you can have the aftertouch assigned to each key?   :?

I usually use my Alesis QS8 as a main MIDI controller. It has 88 regular piano keys with aftertouch. This thing feels like a regular keyboard of a grand piano. That's why I have bought it.

So, if there is a special "polyaftertouch" keyboard please let me know.  I might be interested to get one (if someone still makes it).   :wink:

PSB


Yes, polyaftertouch sends the aftertouch message for each key pressed.
It's much more expressive.
The QS8 seems have only the chanel aftertouch, which sends only
a global aftertouch value when some keys are pressed.
So the CS80 has polyaftertouch, and very few synths or controlers have
this function, and to use fully the CS80V this function is needed.

What I'm sure, the Prophet T8 is a good one for this, and with
sequential legendary sound at the same time, but of course
rare and expensive.
roland A50 and A80 do this too, the GEM S series have this too.
Ensoniq VFX too, but seems now we can't find any modern keyboards
which have this function.
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2005, 11:36:57 am »
A Prophet T-8 seems a good choice but mind its keyboard concept is quite delicate and complex ( it worked velocity by photoelectric cells!!! ) and at the day not many people seem  able to put their hands on it when a damage occurs ( and, of course there's lack of spare parts ) . I think that an Ensoniq ( from VFX to TS-10 ) , a Kurzweil Midiboard or a Generalmusic S-series keyboard may be some more suitable choices....not counting you can always add polyaftertouch messages from your DAW....at zero costs :wink:; actually no builder , neither big nor small seems to be oriented in building a PA keyboard, because it has big production costs and not many can be sold....simply because without this feature a very few people got into the technique of managing a polyaftertouch way of expression! :cry:  :cry: ; oh well, here in Italy something seems to move on....there are rumors that Mario Maggi, the maker of Elka Synthex has developed a new analog device which may feature a polyaftertouch keyboard...in the while a new expressive ribbon controller with zero relative center has been developed at SKNote and is about to be introduced in the upcoming Musikmesse .

Another thing is to tweak the Performance controls....I hate to think that you can control some smooth passages , eg in the ringmodulator with a MIDI slider that sends only 128 steps....I just want MIDI to be buried and forgotten :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2005, 12:14:34 pm »
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....there are rumors that Mario Maggi, the maker of Elka Synthex has developed a new analog device which may feature a polyaftertouch keyboard...in the while a new expressive ribbon controller with zero relative center has been developed at SKNote and is about to be introduced in the upcoming Musikmesse .


So good news from Italy?

A ribbon controler with zero relative center?
A polyaftertouch analog keyboard designed by Mario Maggi?

I'm his fan, I'm a synthex user, and for me Mario Maggi it's like
Bob Moog or Tom Oberheim. So like this I was right don't buy
the andromeda, I would prefer to wait and buy an analog device from
Mario Maggi.  :D
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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2005, 03:03:49 pm »
Max is correct, and to add to the list here are the Polyphonic Aftertouch MIDI controllers that I am aware of:

Prophet T-8
Elka MK 76, MK 88
General Music S2, S3
Kurzweil MIDIboard
Roland A50, A80
Ensoniq EPS, ASR, VFX, SD1, SD32, VFX, SQ80, TS-10

The CS-80V comes alive with a Poly AT controller.  Ensoniq EPS is probably the least expensive option.  Around $300 US.

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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2005, 05:38:46 pm »
Take a look at the discussion found here:
http://tinylink.com/?kUfAdz8rUm

It appears that the Prophet T-8's polyphonic aftertouch affects only its internal voices and does not transmit Poly AT via MIDI OUT, though it does respond to incoming Poly AT.  Please correct me, if anyone knows otherwise.

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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2005, 03:31:44 am »
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Take a look at the discussion found here:
http://tinylink.com/?kUfAdz8rUm

It appears that the Prophet T-8's polyphonic aftertouch affects only its internal voices and does not transmit Poly AT via MIDI OUT, though it does respond to incoming Poly AT.  Please correct me, if anyone knows otherwise.


Hi,
thanks for this precious information, like this I think Sequential made
a mistake when they designed the T8, because it means if we
play a T8 from another T8 via midi, we can't use poly aftertouch. :?
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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2005, 05:56:49 pm »
Just to say that Howard Scarr has a very nice CS80V bank and it has some Vangelis touch on some patches!
Check it out!  :)
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« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2005, 05:58:57 pm »
For polyphonic Aftertouch Keyboard you may find a very cheap Ensoniq SQ80 these days! I have one and work fine with CS80V.
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« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2005, 03:54:15 am »
I keep having these strange thoughts any one know why? xx(xx(

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« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2005, 09:02:55 am »
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I keep having these strange thoughts any one know why? xx(xx(


Don't hear Mom!!!!!! :shock:  :shock:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
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